Fred Franztone

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  Are there any full preterists here?

  by quincemyles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are there any folks here who believe that armageddon, the "second coming of christ.

  " the great tribulation and resurrection are past events rather than future?.

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  Fred Franztone

  The gospels were written after 70, trying to make it look like Jesus prophesied it. They had no interest in the future at the time they were written. Would anyone writing such texts today care about a specific generation living in the year 4000?
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  Why do ex-JW's talk so much about being ex-JW's?

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is it because we were in the cult watchtower compound that we talk about being ex-jw's when we stop being active?

  i have never heard anyone say that i was an ex-catholic or an ex-lutheran or an ex-baptist.

  they just stop going to their church and don't talk about it.. years after not stepping inside a kingdom hell, many of us still have to talk about being ex-jw's.

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  Fred Franztone

  I never do outside of this site, and I only do it here because that's what this site is specifically geared towards. Most who know me in real life have no idea that I was raised as a JW, and they never will. I also never talk about the religion with my PIMI family, who know not to bring it up when I visit them.
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  Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

  by Issa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i left the jw organization last year during summer.

  maybe some of you can relate.

  who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

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  Fred Franztone

  One day the penny dropped and I became a Nihilistic non believer. I'm not an atheist (if my understanding of what an atheist is is correct), because I totally rule out any possibility of a god/s, I don't even give wiggle room for evidence. Forget that. There is no god and that's that. Won't get fooled again!

  This is called gnostic atheism.
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  Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.

  today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.

  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.

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  Fred Franztone

  Venus, you're making connections which simply aren't there. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a theory explaining the diversity of life is just that, not an attack on or frustration with anything.

  And calling Richard Dawkins a high priest of atheism makes it look like you've been living under a rock since 2010. He's fallen massively out of favour in the atheist community since the rise of the SJWtards.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  Fred Franztone

  If you're still using terms like microevolution, macroevolution and primordial soup, then you have a very very long way to go with your studies. Read some more books, and choose them wisely.
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  Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

  by Issa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i left the jw organization last year during summer.

  maybe some of you can relate.

  who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

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  Fred Franztone

  I think people who are born-in and then leave are more likely to become non-believers. If you grow up to develop the right kind of reasoning skills then you're unlikely to simply leave and then join another group or subscribe to another theological belief. The logical thinking that leads you out of the organisation usually leads to atheism, ultimately. That was the case for me, as a born-in who never really believed whole-heartedly.

  Those who join the JWs as adults obviously lack the same innate scepticism of religion, as it would prevent them from joining in the first place. So I think those who leave having not been born-in are often likely to move on to some other religion or at least keep believing in god.
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  Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.

  today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.

  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.

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  Fred Franztone

  The OP is talking specifically about biological evolution, not the woo kind.
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  Well...It's 2018 and still no ''Armageddon''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1972 : we started studying with the jehovah's witnesses when my uncle became an elder and put fear into our family that armageddon was close.

  1974 : my mom, my brother and i were all baptized after all the convention talks and watchtower magazine articles that 1975 would likely end this system of things.

  1999 : being told that the year 2000 was going to mark the 6 thousand years of mans existence and that the 1000 year kingdom in the new paradisewould come in the year 2000.

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  Fred Franztone

  It comforts me to think that I've heard zealous talks over the years from people who are probably now here.
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  Well...It's 2018 and still no ''Armageddon''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1972 : we started studying with the jehovah's witnesses when my uncle became an elder and put fear into our family that armageddon was close.

  1974 : my mom, my brother and i were all baptized after all the convention talks and watchtower magazine articles that 1975 would likely end this system of things.

  1999 : being told that the year 2000 was going to mark the 6 thousand years of mans existence and that the 1000 year kingdom in the new paradisewould come in the year 2000.

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  Fred Franztone

  Most Christians don't even believe in Armageddon. They see it as a metaphorical battle between good and evil in which there isn't even any fighting, because God has already won. Revelation says the armies are gathered at Armageddon, it never mentions any actual fighting though, people seem to miss that part for some reason.
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  Uncovering "GOD"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with self-righteous indignation, the watchtower society (wts) points to its restoration of the hebrew tetragram (hwhy = “yahweh” = = = > “jehovah”) wherever the english translator renders it as “lord”..

  the wts complains that the use of “lord” hides the fact that the name (“jehovah” for the wts) is intended.

  however, with its call of “look over here, look over here”, the wts diverts attention, probably unintentionally, from related information that it, in turn, does not reveal..

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  Fred Franztone

  I know, but there's no evidence of any connection at all.